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Queries regarding Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg (TUHH)
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Queries regarding Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg (TUHH)
Disclaimer : I won't take responsibility for the information given in this thread. This is purely based on my experiences and information from my friends.

Master courses (English)

Expenditure for the course
  1. Fees paid to university
    semster fees - 260euros (increases around 3-5euros per sem)
    tuition fees - 375euros (fixed, reduced from 500 to 375 in 2008)
    semster fees includes semster ticket for Hamburg (train, ferry, bus : see Gesamtbereich Hamburg, HVV) and 5 euros printer quota (2cent black & white and 8cent for color).
  2. Living expenses
    • House Rent : 200 - 300 euros (Hamburg is one of the costliest cities in Germany)
      Hostels are managed by Studierenwerk Hamburg.
      The list of hostels and their details
      You take house in Harburg ( Wohnhaus Harburg, Wohnhaus Harburger Häuser) or at Triftstraße.
      Always take a furnished room (200-600euros: initial cost for furnishing)
    • Health Insurance : 66-74 euros (varies with Krankenkasse, 8euros/yr increase, it was 55euros on 2007)
    • Phone: 0-20euros (postpaid, contract without mobile, mobiles from India work here, but buy accessories like charger, headset from India). The contract runs for 2 years by O2 (mostly students have this connection). If you are not calling much inside Germany then you can opt for prepaid connection. Calling to India is made using voip and skype.
    • Food and other costs : 80-200euros (depending on person)
  3. Total expenses per sem : (400-600)*6+650 =3000-4300 euros (travelling inside Germany for sightseeing, internship and electronic accessories (laptop, camera etc...) are not included)

Time required to finish course
This purely depends on you. You can finish the course in 2 years. But if you do internship (not mandatory), then it will get extended. Planning is the most important step like start applying 4-5months before the time you want to start intership (or thesis in a company). But at the end, it is your skills which count, not how fast you completed the course. On an average 2.5yr is an approximation (3yr max limit, check maximum time with university), provided you do internship in your course. Studienarbeit (3month+), internship (6month normally, min 4 month) and thesis (6month+) build your specialisation for your future career. So don't worry about the time of the course, but be focused on the specialisation you want to go for and finance to support it.

Part time opportunities
First there is no term named 'part time job' in Germany. People use only two terms : student job or Hiwi.
  1. Hiwi: job under professor or a PhD student (mostly PhD guy). TUHH pays 8.5euros/hr (increased recently from 7.72euro/hr, not sure of exact rate). Mostly they give you a contract for 3 months for the first time and if you do the work well then it will be extended depending on availability of funds and work. Initially they give 40hr/month (normally, varies with project and constraints), then they extend later. As per university regulations you can work a max. of 72hr/month(normally, exception exist with departments and profs). Skills required are OrCad, Eagle, AVR Microncontroller programming in C, C/C++/Java/VB(less), MS-Office and other network applications etc.. But purely depend on opportunities available and most departments uses AVR microcontrollers. I can comment only on electronics related fields. You can work as Hiwi at TUHH, Uni Hamburg, HAW (all unis in Hamburg). But you must be immatriculated as a student for this work.
  2. Student job: It varies from software testing to manual jobs. These jobs don't have flexibility and fixed no. of hrs/month. In software testing you get paid good and fixed no. of hrs/month. But manual jobs they call when they need you. Pay for manual job varies from 5-7euros/hr and some jobs make you tired (depending on person's physique).
  3. Hiwi Vs student job : Hiwi experience can be used in your resume as work experience and if it is your future area, then it will boost your profile becasue of the experience you have (works in uni's is in the range of industry standards, not a hobbyist style). During exam time, you can postpone the work in order to prepare for exam. This is mostly supported and you finish those hours in later months. This both advantages are not available on student jobs. They call you only when they have work and mostly salary can get delayed by 1 month or more. In Hiwi, you get salary of April month on 30 Apr or 1 May (no delay). This salary crediting factor is critical after you finish the money brought from home.
  4. Restrictions : As a student you can work only 90 full days or 180 half days making to 90*8=720hrs/year and earning less than 7000euros/yr (not sure of exact amount).Mosly there is no work available on weekends. So you have to miss classes for part time job. Remeber that you came here for studying, not to work as a student. So you must keep study Vs work balance. This is critical for your success. Mostly TUHH students work as Hiwi.
  5. Taxes : Earning upto 400euros is non taxable. Between 400-600 euros (mostly) a tax of 10%. So if your hourlywage*hours=550, you get 500 euros as your salary. So mostly try to earn only 400euros. Don't forget that you are missing your lectures while you work. It is good that you dont need attendace in lectures, but you need for labs.
  6. How to find job : Take printouts of your resume and go to different institutes of TUHH and ask PhD students for Hiwi. Show your skills like Matlab, Microcontroller etc.. and ask them who else in the department can I contact for a Hiwi. Sometime they say that a Hiwi can open in coming months, just give them your resume and take their email address in order to forward your resume. Thus your options for a future Hiwi is there. Check the websites of the departments every week to see an opening. In addition you can check on stellenwerk Hamburg.

Previously there was a scholarship based on your grades in first sem. That was for 1 year @400euro/month. Now they removed it. You can apply for scholarship in your last sem, then you get 400euros/month for 6 months. Here is the scholarship website linsk.
Job and PhD
  1. Visa after end of course : You can do weiterbildung and stay as a student for 1year after your graduation. For this you need a letter from your professor. In weiterbildung you have student status.
  2. Time required to get a job or PhD : It varies from 2 months (min) to 1.5 years max. On an average people get jobs/PhD within 6 months of graduation. The time depends on market situations and your luck.
  3. Jobs : People get engineering jobs mostly and some have management jobs depending on the skills/experience/thesis you have. You can go to Linkedin and check for the profiles of TUHH passouts, if you want to be more specific. Companies like Siemens, Thyssen Krup, Bayer, Fraunhofer institutes etc... employ students.
  4. PhD : Mostly (30%+) TU students opt for PhD (including me). It depends on your interest to pursue a PhD. People do PhD in different universities like RWTH, TU Delft, TU Eindhoven etc..
  5. Jobs Vs PhD : It purely depend on your interest. Your skill matters whether you get a job or PhD. How you made your profile in your specialisation matters most. Why a company to spend money in training you?. They expect people with experience in the given area. So you have to get these experience through studienarbeit, internship and master thesis. Moreover industry and university uses the same tools and technology for work like Cadence. Your job has nothing to do with the university you studied, it purely depend on you. They ask about your projects and what you did in that for the interview. For a successful job or PhD your specialisation (70%) and German skills (30%) are the criteria. This is just an approximation based on friends experiences. But I have seen very few people working without German skills. It is normal in MNC companies in Germany to make slides in English and talk in German. There is no campus placements in German unis. As far I have seen most of the graduated Indians are working or doing Phd in Germany.

Course work
  1. Find your respective course of interest and finish courses. What matters most is how you do your specialisation and your grades+German skills. There is no need of attendance in lectures, but labs can have a max of 2 abscence out of 14 (around) lab days. You have to choose your own courses and make your time table. Classes can be from 8AM to 8PM. This purely depend on choosen courses. You can ask profs to shift the timings of the course, if there is a clash in timings with other course. One course have mostly 1.5hr/week for 3 ECTS (check this in the website). Additional 1hr/week for exercise for the course having 4.5 ECTS (check in website).
  2. Studienarbeit : This is a research work done for 3 months. Normally this can run upto 5 months depending on your speed. You can submit it with a minimum time of 2 months. Even people convert their Hiwi to studienarbeit provided prof agree. Most department have their own or Latex templates (if not then you use default one). Your work is alway supervised by a PhD guy. So if you have doubts, you contact PhD student. Depending on departments and profs you have meetings or presentation during the course of the work. At the end of studienarbeit, you submit a 50+pages reports and do a presenation.
  3. Internship : Previously internship was mandatory, now it is optional. But it is better to do an internship for a good job prospect. People do internship and thesis in same company so that they acquire 1 yr experience. Mostly company absorb them, but in recession time this didn't happen. Remeber that Germany get out recession very fast and this time Q4 2010 have best unemployment rate. Normally internship run for 6 months and stipends vary from 400-800euros. You have to apply 3-5months in advance. Just go to job sites and search for 'Praktikant'.
  4. Master thesis : This is the most important part of your master study. You have exactly 6 month to finish thesis (one extra day, you are failed). So people register late (you can even talk to prof and delay registration). You work either in a company (provided prof should agree) or under a PhD student (same as studienarbeit, but high priority). You have 2 presentations (must, midterm and final) and submit a report of 70+pages.
  5. Publications : It depends on you and your research quality. I made two publications on conferences in Germany. I know 3 others sensiors done 2 publications during their masters. Mostly we publish inside Germany or Europe due to expenditure in travelling. But if it is a good work, then mostly prof wont limit you from publishing outside Europe.
  6. Tie ups with companies and universities : One Indian student went to UC Berkely for his internship. TUHH has tie-ups with universities outside Europe like UC Berkely, one uni in Canada (don't remeber other unis). Projects are run in coperation with different companies and science foundations in Germany. Mostly departments wont show this information in their website and mostly detailed info are available only in German.

Social Life
Hamburg got a lot of international population. Even present batch (2010) has around 40 Indian students. Previously, it was around 10-20 Indians/year for masters. Language of communication inside university is in English. See the programms organised by tutors in this link
If you want to interact socially outside campus, you need German. But don't fear, here people are good listeners. I entered Germany without any German skills, but after 3 years I interact with people in German and read document in German (but not fluent). As a student you have only two places to go, one university and other supermarket. In campus you can survive with English. In supermarket, you can identify the groceries you need and buy them and pay it (cost is always displayed on a screen). For this assumption, i expect that you can identify onion, potato, bread etc.. Then you have German courses in the university every semster or you can enroll in Volkshochschule(government). Private courses are expensive. You mostly need only basic German grammar, but good vocabulary. You can see German TV's using a DVB-T stick (costing from 20euros, USB) or hear German FM radios on way. 92.3MHz is the news FM. You can hear it online(NDR info). Remeber that you can master a computer language in a month, but a language takes a lot of time. So you have invest time daily to revise and hear German.

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