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Fall '18 | MSCS | GRE 330 Q167 V163 | GPA 6.4/10 | WES 3/4 | TOEFL 115 | Panjab Uni
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Fall '18 | MSCS | GRE 330 Q167 V163 | GPA 6.4/10 | WES 3/4 | TOEFL 115 | Panjab Uni
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Dear Seniors,

I shall sincerely appreciate your time and effort in evaluating my profile. I am at a point where I have handpicked some programs that are very desirable to me but am wondering if my application will be competitive.

My UniSearch page is complete and up to date. Quick overview anyway:
UG Institution: Panjab University, Chandigarh
CGPA: 6.4/10 or 64%
WES: 3.0/4.0
GRE: 330 | Q: 167 V: 163 AWA: 3.0 [Will retake soon. Can definitely bump up all sections. Especially Quant and AWA.]
TOEFL: 115/120
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My program selection:

GaTech* | Masters in Computational Science and Engineering
Johns Hopkins University* | MSE in Computer Science
CMU Heinz* | MIS (I know not the forum for this. Sorry, but can't put eval request for a single program there.)
Columbia* | MS in Computer Science
Virginia Tech | MS in Computer Science
University of Georgia | Masters in Artificial Intelligence
University of San Francisco | MS in Computer Science
University of Massachusetts - Amherst | MS in Computer Science
University of California Riverside | MS in Computer Science
University of California Irvine | MS in Computer Science
University of California Davis | MS in Computer Science
University of California Santa Cruz | MS in Computer Science
Penn State - University Park | MS in Computer Science
SUNY - Stony Brook | MS in Computer Science
NYU Courant | MS in Computer Science
Northeastern University | MS in Computer Science
Ohio State University | MS in Computer Science
San Jose State University* | MS in Computer Science (NOT Soft. Engg.)


* These schools require/recommend WES conversion. So evaluate with a 3.0/4.0 in mind here.
Most of the rest strictly do not accept WES. Funny, right? While some programs I contacted said you may attach it with originals if you want but I feel the weight they'll impart to it is questionable.

EDIT: List came out a little longer than expected but I wanted an opinion across the spectrum before I can trim. Grad school applicants with a GPA of 6.x are few and far between.

Also, if you could answer, I was wondering what looks better, a 3.0/4.0 or a 6.4/10.0? My transcripts state 6.0 as an average performance in class while 7.0 as good. I am kind of midway at 6.4. I hear 3.0/4.0 sounds better.

Any good AI/ML/NLP/Robotics places that I am missing out on where my application will be competitive?
Note: My university selection is eclectic and I understand not all places are heavy on ML/AI but it is also my understanding that I don't get to be picky with my kind of GPA.

Thanks a metric tonne.
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RE: Fall '18 | MSCS | GRE 330 Q167 V163 | GPA 6.4/10 | WES 3/4 | TOEFL 115 | Panjab Uni
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Requesting:
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Edulix_Editor Please note: I know not PhD eval but I will be writing a thesis and more importantly, an MS is a route to a PhD for me. Puts me in an informed position about what research is like and alleviates my not so desirable GPA. So, your perspective will be valuable.

anidada2003 As a program, UGa's MS in AI is ideal for me. The course offerings, the mandatory courses, all in tune with what I want from my graduate program.
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I may have notified kind folks tagged above multiple times because of an edit or two. My first time on the forum. My apologies. Now, I know. Also, requesting from seniors below:
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My case is a little odd and not too many profile to relate from. So, a few more tags to seniors, if they can shed some light.
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Radio silence for 2-4 days prompts for more tags, I suppose.

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Congrats on your wonderful scores Very Happy

I can eval this in the evening. I still have your tag.


All the best, my friend Very Happy

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Great!!!! Looking forward to it. You the man MSmaverick.
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ChaloIvy I apologize for the delay. I have been a bit swamped on the academic and personal front, so I could not do any evals for the past few days.

Wish you could have reduced the list to around 10 univs. Since I didn't point it out earlier, I am going ahead and doing eval for all of them. Keep in mind, I am providing an approx eval. If any CS seniors here provide better eval, kindly modify your opinions based on that.

Since you said, the job was at a startup, having your work displayed on platforms like Github will make a difference when you are applying for heavily technical schools. As for the WES evaluation part, I am not really familiar with that. I sent out of 100% for all my schools, but then provide on what the school asked you.

Most of the univs I am tagging as low ambi are well within your reach. I am trying to err on the safe side because of low GPA and work experience. As long as you make good points in your SoP, you have better chances. I am not giving you any safe ratings because there is a chance the univs might reject you thinking "this guy is not going to come here anyway" - But most of the mods here are safe for you.

As told by you, your list is top heavy. Try to add a few safes. Look at UIC/UIUC and see if their courses suit you. Purdue ,West Lafayette has pretty good ML related programs.

GaTech* | Masters in Computational Science and Engineering - Low ambi
Johns Hopkins University* | MSE in Computer Science
CMU Heinz* | MIS (I know not the forum for this. Sorry, but can't put eval request for a single program there.) - Safe
Columbia* | MS in Computer Science - Not sure
Virginia Tech | MS in Computer Science - not sure
University of Georgia | Masters in Artificial Intelligence - not sure
University of San Francisco | MS in Computer Science - mod
University of Massachusetts - Amherst | MS in Computer Science - not sure
University of California Riverside | MS in Computer Science - Mod
University of California Irvine | MS in Computer Science - Low ambi
University of California Davis | MS in Computer Science - High Mod/Low ambi
University of California Santa Cruz | MS in Computer Science -High Mod/Low ambi
Penn State - University Park | MS in Computer Science - Not sure
SUNY - Stony Brook | MS in Computer Science - High Mod/Low ambi
NYU Courant | MS in Computer Science - Low ambi
Northeastern University | MS in Computer Science - High Mod
Ohio State University | MS in Computer Science - Mod
San Jose State University* | MS in Computer Science (NOT Soft. Engg.) - Mod

All the best ,my friend Very Happy

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UGA would be a safe, Ohio State a mod-ambi and UMass CS would be at least a mod-ambi if not a straight-up ambi. Penn State, Purdue and UIUC MSCS, too, would be ambi. UIUC MCS would be mod-ambi (but keep in mind that there is almost zero scope for pursuing research interests, with or without a thesis, in most MCS programs including this one). I agree with MSmaverick that your list is too top-heavy. I'd personally recommend a breakdown of 3 safes, 3-4 mod and 3 ambi schools in your case.

And I'll take a stab at your WES Eval question. Honestly it's a crap shoot of sorts because different schools (and even different departments within the same school) might differ as to how an international GPA is interpreted. But, here's the thing: in almost all cases, if you give me someone's transcript which has a 4.0 scale and another person's transcript with a different grading system, but who's GPA has been converted into the 4.0 scale, then to me at that point it's an apples-to-apples comparison. Personally, if you give me 2 transcripts, one on the 4.0 scale and the other on say the 10.0 scale, then it's a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison in a sense, so there's a bit of a possibility that the GPA on the 10.0 scale might be seen to be a little higher than it actually is (again, this won't be done deliberately, but there's a very tiny chance it might happen). With a converted GPA out the gate from an agency like WES, there's no room for any such (mis-)interpretation. Also, keep in mind, that while WES (and other credential eval agencies) do a decent job for the most part, they aren't exactly very well-versed with the minutiae and nuances of how the grading at say Mumbai or Pune University colleges differs from the grading at say Bangalore University or Anna University. In the sense, that they don't really know enough in many cases to take the relative difficulty of getting a given grade in a given university into consideration. I personally know of a few cases where WES evaluated someone's GPA on the percentage scale to be less than what it might have actually converted to, had they known about and taken the grading variance into consideration, so the person ended up getting a lower converted GPA on the 4.0 scale. Therefore, in my personal opinion, unless the university you're applying to specifically and absolutely requires you to send in a WES/ECE evaluation, do NOT get an eval done (and especially a course-by-course eval). Also, I'll be brutally honest here: neither a 6.4 on a 10.0 scale, or a 3.0 on a 4.0 scale are amazing as such, but in my personal opinion a 3.0 on 4.0 would make me go "meh!" faster, maybe due to my own inherent bias in recognizing the value of that grade, or because most other people would have GPAs on the 4.0 scale too, so it'd make for a straight comparison.

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2) Please take some time out to read these three threads in their entirety. PLEASE do that before asking questions about universities from a comparison perspective, or jobs, or coursework, or H-1B visas, or "placements", irrespective of which univ/department/program/major you're applying to.

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Thank you for your time and effort in helping me out. The proposed list certainly had some competitive universities in there, more so given my less than desirable UG GPA. I have tamed my list a little now and hopefully, the new additions are not too long a shot for me.

I have looked at the coursework offered in a Computational Science degree and I really like it. Mathematical and Computer modelling for the study of natural systems is quite fascinating, so the new additions are programs in this field. If you could kindly rate them that's be great.

Carried Over:
#1 GaTech* | Masters in Computational Science and Engineering - Low ambi
#2 Johns Hopkins University* | MSE in Computer Science - PENDING
#3 CMU Heinz* | MIS - Safe
#4 Virginia Tech | MS in Computer Science - PENDING
#5 University of Georgia | Masters in Artificial Intelligence - Safe
#6 San Jose State University* | MS in Computer Science (NOT Soft. Engg.) - Mod

New additions:
#7 University of California San Diego | MS in Computational Science
#8 San Diego State University* | MS in Computational Science [CSRC]
#9 MIT | Science Masters in Computational Science
#10 Central Washington University (CWU*) | MS in Computer Science - Computational Science Track
Note: GPA requirement is 3.25/4.00 at CWU as opposed to the typical 3.00.

WES: The Cal State System, JHU, CWU and CMU Heinz mandate a course by course conversion, so I had no option but to get one from WES. The GPA came out to be 2.95/4.00 which isn't impressive in itself but when I look at individual grades, everything has gone up! To give you an idea, I had only two As in my final year but WES gave me eight!

Bottomline is that the overall GPA might not look too good but the grades definitely look much better now with lots of As and Bs towards the end of my program owing to all the C+s and B+s I had that got rounded up. Infact, it's all As and Bs in my final year now, very unlike my original transcripts.

However, the minimum GPA line is typically drawn at 3.00/4.00. How solid is that line? Do I risk anything by being a smidgen under the line. It's not that I can do anything about it, just a little tense.
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Apologies for the late response, ChaloIvy. Find my answers inline.

Quote:Carried Over:
#1 GaTech* | Masters in Computational Science and Engineering - ambi
#2 Johns Hopkins University* | MSE in Computer Science - mod-ambi
#3 CMU Heinz* | MIS - mod-ambi if you consider your original GPA, but with a converted WES GPA, I'd say this is a straight-up ambi
#4 Virginia Tech | MS in Computer Science - ambi
#5 University of Georgia | Masters in Artificial Intelligence - Safe
#6 San Jose State University* | MS in Computer Science (NOT Soft. Engg.) - Mod

New additions:
#7 University of California San Diego | MS in Computational Science - ambi
#8 San Diego State University* | MS in Computational Science [CSRC] - safe
#9 MIT | Science Masters in Computational Science - Drop
#10 Central Washington University (CWU*) | MS in Computer Science - Computational Science Track - I honestly would recommend you reconsider applying to a small regional university like this, especially since you're applying for grad school as an international student. You want to be in as big a city/town as possible, or be in as well-known a school as possible, and this is neither.

WES: The Cal State System, JHU, CWU and CMU Heinz mandate a course by course conversion, so I had no option but to get one from WES. The GPA came out to be 2.95/4.00 which isn't impressive in itself but when I look at individual grades, everything has gone up! To give you an idea, I had only two As in my final year but WES gave me eight!

It's a great thing that somehow you ended up getting more As on the WES eval than you originally had, but the overall GPA, like I wrote in my earlier post, isn't going to do you many favors. With that in mind, I'd recommend you don't apply to schools that require a WES eval and are ambitious, such as CMU and Hopkins, because you might be seen to be worse off as compared to the other applicants due to your GPA.

Bottomline is that the overall GPA might not look too good but the grades definitely look much better now with lots of As and Bs towards the end of my program owing to all the C+s and B+s I had that got rounded up. Infact, it's all As and Bs in my final year now, very unlike my original transcripts.

Again, that is great, but the overall GPA does matter, unfortunately. I'd be a little guarded in my enthusiasm, if I were you, and would likely play it a little safe.

However, the minimum GPA line is typically drawn at 3.00/4.00. How solid is that line? Do I risk anything by being a smidgen under the line. It's not that I can do anything about it, just a little tense.

I completely understand. So, in my experience with grad admissions, the overall GPA requirement of a 3.0 is generally adhered to, by most schools, but nothing is set in stone for very impressive profiles. If you have a very amazing research background and/or test scores, some schools - not all, mind you - might be willing to overlook a tad deficient GPA if you seem like a good fit for their program. That's just a general guesstimate on my part; nobody but the individual schools themselves know what their individual specific formula is, and what they're looking for in a prospective student. The class profile/incoming student statistics pages are a good place to start from, and if you don't get your answers there, it might not hurt to email the graduate school of the university and ask them directly. However, my guess is that since they get many such enquiries and because they can only really evaluate one's profile once the application is sent in, I'd not be surprised if you get a very vague and non-committing reply from them. Hence, in my opinion, all it comes down to, is how risky a game are you willing to play? To give a shot a those schools that require WES evals, are you willing to invest all that time, effort and money in applying to them, with the knowledge that you might be rejected for one thing? Actually that fact is true for all admissions in general, but in your case, at least you know beforehand that you have a greater likely element of risk. Now, whether you want to take that risk and apply nevertheless to those schools, is up to you. I know I've given you a non-answer of sorts, but that's all anyone can do here.

1) Please mention as many details as possible about your academics, research and work-ex, in terms of projects worked on, technologies used, roles/responsibilities handled, papers published/presented, awards/honors obtained, etc. All those have to be put in the misc details section of your UniSearch profile if you expect any help on Edulix. Also, before requesting for profile evaluations, please go through this excellent post.

2) Please take some time out to read these three threads in their entirety. PLEASE do that before asking questions about universities from a comparison perspective, or jobs, or coursework, or H-1B visas, or "placements", irrespective of which univ/department/program/major you're applying to.

I love to read, and then I regurgitate. I write - a lot - as my posts here and on other outlets would show. I do not make apologies for what I write (and how long it is). I do not sugarcoat things either. I don't tolerate vague questions, for any reasons - ignorance arising out of an inability to locate information when the necessary tools to do so (i.e. the internet, libraries, university websites, other forums/bulletin boards, etc.) are readily available, is not any kind of an acceptable excuse.

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