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What exactly would one call "research experience"?
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I am doing my final year BE project with the REsearch wing of TCS in Pune under the guidance of a researcher in Software Engineering.
Would you call that research? Ofcourse the things we are doing are quite new but not totally groundbreaking or totally unknown, it's a student project afterall.
So would that be research experience?

And do paper presentations in local colleges really count?

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Depends on what you are doing. If you are a code monkey, then it is not research. However, usually undergrads try to pass off code monkeying around as research experience.

If, on the other hand, you are developing newer algorithms and mathematically optimizing them, then yes, that counts as research. Or, you have proposed a new system and quantitatively or empirically verified/validated it.

And, paper presentations in local colleges are not publications. Unless, it is an international conference sponsored by IEEE/ACM types, then you would be better off not adding it to the ol' resume. Bad resume padding is worse than no resume padding.

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What exactly does code monkeying entail?

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^ The work that you'd get in any run-of-the-mill Indian IT job.

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(02-01-2011 06:53 PM)lm10 Wrote:  What exactly does code monkeying entail?

Code monkeying basically entails churning out volumes of code which isn't particularly elegant or complex and is not terribly hard to write. Typically, you're a code-monkey when you get paid peanuts to write code which, in your opinion, you could train a simian to produce Razz
(02-01-2011 12:13 PM)ashwinb Wrote:  So would that be research experience?

This is actually a deeply philosophical question. Something that annoys me about academia is that I see people expending a not inconsiderable amount of effort arguing that a fellow academic's work isn't really research. This is especially true in engineering departments. One way of looking at it is that research involves answering fundamental questions, whereas engineering is applied science which begs the question, "What does it mean to do research in an engineering department?"

In an engineering context, I would say that any work which has some demonstrable novelty can be called "research". If there are some general principles that can be learned from your work and can be applied to other problems, then it is research. For instance, porting a piece of code to the GPU isn't really research, but if in the process of porting that piece of code, you can find some general rules which can be applied when porting some other code to the GPU, then it might still be research (of course, these general rules shouldn't be widely known).

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Ah, good to see.

So going through a large open source tool and adding to it and modifying it with the aim of releasing one's own version would NOT count as code monkeying - right?

I am very sorry to, in a sense, hijack the thread, but I do think it is in line with the OP's questions, so well...

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So my work could be called research to some extent!!

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(02-01-2011 11:05 PM)lm10 Wrote:  So going through a large open source tool and adding to it and modifying it with the aim of releasing one's own version would NOT count as code monkeying - right?

Why wouldn't it count as code-monkeying?

And so what if it did? Why should you care whether someone else thinks that you are a code-monkey?
(02-01-2011 11:11 PM)ashwinb Wrote:  So my work could be called research to some extent!!

It would if you used my definition. But that's just my take on what can be called research. Not everyone agrees with that definition. For it to be truly considered research, you have to convince other researchers of its novelty and contributions to software engineering in general. If you write a paper about it and it gets accepted by a well-recognized conference or journal, then you can say that it is research with confidence because you convinced other researchers of it, but until then ...

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if you arent eating and sleeping enough and if coffee is your staple diet, if you dont have a girl friend or recently got dumped, then research it is that you are doing...



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(02-02-2011 02:08 AM)light fades away Wrote:  if you arent eating and sleeping enough and if coffee is your staple diet, if you dont have a girl friend or recently got dumped

All this is true. And yet I'm not doing any research at all Very Happy

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Amogrr, its a necessary but not sufficient condition LaughingLaughing

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(02-02-2011 09:57 AM)a7x Wrote:  Amogrr, its a necessary but not sufficient condition LaughingLaughing

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(02-02-2011 11:23 PM)lm10 Wrote:  It matters of course, because depending on how it is construed by adcoms, I could either have some research value added to my profile, or nothing at all.

If you're trying to convince the ad-com that what you're doing is research, you're probably better of seeing if your work might be classified as "research" by the test that I gave the OP earlier in the thread. Although that definition is just my opinion, it might give you at least some weak classification of your own work.

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Some interesting definitions and examples in here Very Happy

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